Comments on: The Abolition of Entrance Tests — Boon or Bane ..? http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/ I brag .. Therefore I am ..! Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:29:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: deepika http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/#comment-146 deepika Mon, 07 May 2007 16:21:37 +0000 http://www.shahabjafri.com/?p=17#comment-146 "WORST" is d condition of students aspiring to study in TN with the confirmation of abolition of CET.may be the students could be less stressed out but unfortunately they are losing out the great oppurtunity of improving their intelligence.now all they have to do is "eat n vommit". and the main thing is how are they going to get admissions.on what basis will they differentiate same percentage obtained by CBSE and state level students.when we think upon this deeply we must accept the fact that the stress increases.as financially poor people cannot pay the fees as the institution demands. before the govt. used to frame...but now its in the institutions hands... it is always best if there is CET.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('146','deepika'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('146','deepika','\"WORST\" is d condition of students aspiring to study in TN with the confirmation of abolition of CET.may be the students could be less stressed out but unfortunately they are losing out the great oppurtunity of improving their intelligence.now all they have to do is \"eat n vommit\".\n and the main thing is how are they going to get admissions.on what basis will they differentiate same percentage obtained by CBSE and state level students.when we think upon this deeply we must accept the fact that the stress increases.as financially poor people cannot pay the fees as the institution demands. before the govt. used to frame...but now its in the institutions hands...\n it is always best if there is CET.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> “WORST” is d condition of students aspiring to study in TN with the confirmation of abolition of CET.may be the students could be less stressed out but unfortunately they are losing out the great oppurtunity of improving their intelligence.now all they have to do is “eat n vommit”.
and the main thing is how are they going to get admissions.on what basis will they differentiate same percentage obtained by CBSE and state level students.when we think upon this deeply we must accept the fact that the stress increases.as financially poor people cannot pay the fees as the institution demands. before the govt. used to frame…but now its in the institutions hands…
it is always best if there is CET.
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]]> By: sarat http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/#comment-145 sarat Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:59:18 +0000 http://www.shahabjafri.com/?p=17#comment-145 ENTRANCE CANCELLED!this is worse than the worst condition which will prevail this year.there would be over 1000 students getting 200 in sciences and maths due to the low standard syllabus.if these entrance tests are to be cancelled then the sybllus must like CBSE or even ICSE standard.because the present system is just MUGGING and HANDWRITING.with this system any idiot would get high marks. so i think it is time to take tamil nadu out of the mind and just to concentrate on other entrace examinations.i feel this is the only state where the syllabus is the easiest and full of reservations.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('145','sarat'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('145','sarat','ENTRANCE CANCELLED!this is worse than the worst condition which will prevail this year.there would be over 1000 students getting 200 in sciences and maths due to the low standard syllabus.if these entrance tests are to be cancelled then the sybllus must like CBSE or even ICSE standard.because the present system is just MUGGING and HANDWRITING.with this system any idiot would get high marks.\nso i think it is time to take tamil nadu out of the mind and just to concentrate on other entrace examinations.i feel this is the only state where the syllabus is the easiest and full of reservations.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> ENTRANCE CANCELLED!this is worse than the worst condition which will prevail this year.there would be over 1000 students getting 200 in sciences and maths due to the low standard syllabus.if these entrance tests are to be cancelled then the sybllus must like CBSE or even ICSE standard.because the present system is just MUGGING and HANDWRITING.with this system any idiot would get high marks.
so i think it is time to take tamil nadu out of the mind and just to concentrate on other entrace examinations.i feel this is the only state where the syllabus is the easiest and full of reservations.
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]]> By: Daniel http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/#comment-144 Daniel Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:11:07 +0000 http://www.shahabjafri.com/?p=17#comment-144 The standard of board exams are so bad. The TN Chemistry text(The new, so called upgraded) book is full of not errors... but blunders! The erreta that was released by the authors at the eleventh hour runs to pages... and the funniest of facts is that there is a need for another erreta for the aldready released erreta. And yes, with such a book the stundents of TN could do nothing when it comes to national level competitive exams. The Math' and Physics books are good but the authors had to change the board exam patterns due to repeated request which resulted in the their efforts to raise the students to the national level go in vain.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('144','Daniel'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('144','Daniel','The standard of board exams are so bad.\nThe TN Chemistry text(The new, so called upgraded) book is full of not errors... but blunders! The erreta that was released by the authors at the eleventh hour runs to pages... and the funniest of facts is that there is a need for another erreta for the aldready released erreta. And yes, with such a book the stundents of TN could do nothing when it comes to national level competitive exams.\nThe Math\' and Physics books are good but the authors had to change the board exam patterns due to repeated request which resulted in the their efforts to raise the students to the national level go in vain.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The standard of board exams are so bad.
The TN Chemistry text(The new, so called upgraded) book is full of not errors… but blunders! The erreta that was released by the authors at the eleventh hour runs to pages… and the funniest of facts is that there is a need for another erreta for the aldready released erreta. And yes, with such a book the stundents of TN could do nothing when it comes to national level competitive exams.
The Math’ and Physics books are good but the authors had to change the board exam patterns due to repeated request which resulted in the their efforts to raise the students to the national level go in vain.
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]]> By: Shahab http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/#comment-143 Shahab Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:07:47 +0000 http://www.shahabjafri.com/?p=17#comment-143 Yeah .. I saw the news .. Waise Jayalalitha is too busy in her own pending cases so this case will get low priority .. :D .. Anyways .. next time they implement something like this, they should ensure proper thinking beforehand .. :)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('143','Shahab'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('143','Shahab','Yeah .. I saw the news .. Waise Jayalalitha is too busy in her own pending cases so this case will get low priority .. :D .. Anyways .. next time they implement something like this, they should ensure proper thinking beforehand .. :)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Yeah .. I saw the news .. Waise Jayalalitha is too busy in her own pending cases so this case will get low priority .. :D .. Anyways .. next time they implement something like this, they should ensure proper thinking beforehand .. :)
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]]> By: suganya http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/#comment-142 suganya Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:35:11 +0000 http://www.shahabjafri.com/?p=17#comment-142 hi shahab, the madras high court has CANCELLED the ban on entrance exams...so the entrance exam marks will also be taken into consideration..... but the state govt will most probably appeal in th supreme court against this...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('142','suganya'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('142','suganya','hi shahab,\nthe madras high court has CANCELLED the ban on entrance exams...so the entrance exam marks will also be taken into consideration.....\nbut the state govt will most probably appeal in th supreme court against this...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> hi shahab,
the madras high court has CANCELLED the ban on entrance exams…so the entrance exam marks will also be taken into consideration…..
but the state govt will most probably appeal in th supreme court against this…
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]]> By: Shahab http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/#comment-141 Shahab Thu, 16 Jun 2005 06:14:11 +0000 http://www.shahabjafri.com/?p=17#comment-141 Hi Suganya .. I agree whole heartedly with all your points .. In fact I too advocate that the current system needs change .. And that is where they should focus now .. Now that they have created a single window opportunity for everyone then this Single Window should be such that it can accomodate everyone's necessity equally .. Waise I agree that they had taken this decision in a haste and political gain is the focus here instead of student's betterment ... But still .. I hope they improve the situation afterwards ..<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('141','Shahab'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('141','Shahab','Hi Suganya .. I agree whole heartedly with all your points .. In fact I too advocate that the current system needs change .. And that is where they should focus now .. Now that they have created a single window opportunity for everyone then this Single Window should be such that it can accomodate everyone\'s necessity equally ..\n\nWaise I agree that they had taken this decision in a haste and political gain is the focus here instead of student\'s betterment ... But still .. I hope they improve the situation afterwards ..'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Hi Suganya .. I agree whole heartedly with all your points .. In fact I too advocate that the current system needs change .. And that is where they should focus now .. Now that they have created a single window opportunity for everyone then this Single Window should be such that it can accomodate everyone’s necessity equally ..

Waise I agree that they had taken this decision in a haste and political gain is the focus here instead of student’s betterment … But still .. I hope they improve the situation afterwards ..

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]]> By: suganya http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/#comment-140 suganya Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:06:47 +0000 http://www.shahabjafri.com/?p=17#comment-140 hi shahab, thanks for ur comment...do reply if possible.. well there may be both pros n cons as u mention.. yeah the students will concentrate more on their curriculam...but with the present system wat good does it do? i know many students can say the answer of the 8th sum on the 118th page sans book... again i'm talking about the urban areas only... in rural areas i've heard that the staff pass around the answer sheets(for objective atleast) around the hall in order to help the students get thru their exams...n it will surely continue in the coming yrs too not only this, of foremost importance,in my opinion, we shud hav the quality in education... if the rural students are facing financial difficulties, the govt can open free coaching centres(after al..there r millions of unemployed ppl here) In college one of my buddies corrects the staff with engg mechanics probs..the govt shud try to reap harvest of that sort of knowledge ie,i mean not merely in quantity but in quanlity....tat is wat i've been emphasizing in my blog... but i agree with u, under present circumstancs, the rural students dint get enough oppurtunities to get standard training which was required for CET. n TAT should have been the govt's botheration and not comfortably abolishing it..for eg..we know the curriculam for mbbs is very tough too..wat if the board decides to take away a few papers so tat the syllabus would become easier?? we can't jus break all the barriers coming our way....in certain issues we always hav to cross the barrier n not break it altogether.... anyways,,i wud say we'll hav to wait n c how this stuff works out with the new syllabus.....<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('140','suganya'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('140','suganya','hi shahab,\nthanks for ur comment...do reply if possible..\nwell there may be both pros n cons as u mention..\n\nyeah the students will concentrate more on their curriculam...but with the present system wat good does it do? i know many students can say the answer of the 8th sum on the 118th page sans book... again i\'m talking about the urban areas only... in rural areas i\'ve heard that the staff pass around the answer sheets(for objective atleast) around the hall in order to help the students get thru their exams...n it will surely continue in the coming yrs too\n\nnot only this, of foremost importance,in my opinion, we shud hav the quality in education... if the rural students are facing financial difficulties, the govt can open free coaching centres(after al..there r millions of unemployed ppl here) In college one of my buddies corrects the staff with engg mechanics probs..the govt shud try to reap harvest of that sort of knowledge ie,i mean not merely in quantity but in quanlity....tat is wat i\'ve been emphasizing in my blog...\n\nbut i agree with u, under present circumstancs, the rural students dint get enough oppurtunities to get standard training which was required for CET. n TAT should have been the govt\'s botheration and not comfortably abolishing it..for eg..we know the curriculam for mbbs is very tough too..wat if the board decides to take away a few papers so tat the syllabus would become easier?? we can\'t jus break all the barriers coming our way....in certain issues we always hav to cross the barrier n not break it altogether....\n\nanyways,,i wud say we\'ll hav to wait n c how this stuff works out with the new syllabus.....'); return false;">Quote</a></div> hi shahab,
thanks for ur comment…do reply if possible..
well there may be both pros n cons as u mention..

yeah the students will concentrate more on their curriculam…but with the present system wat good does it do? i know many students can say the answer of the 8th sum on the 118th page sans book… again i’m talking about the urban areas only… in rural areas i’ve heard that the staff pass around the answer sheets(for objective atleast) around the hall in order to help the students get thru their exams…n it will surely continue in the coming yrs too

not only this, of foremost importance,in my opinion, we shud hav the quality in education… if the rural students are facing financial difficulties, the govt can open free coaching centres(after al..there r millions of unemployed ppl here) In college one of my buddies corrects the staff with engg mechanics probs..the govt shud try to reap harvest of that sort of knowledge ie,i mean not merely in quantity but in quanlity….tat is wat i’ve been emphasizing in my blog…

but i agree with u, under present circumstancs, the rural students dint get enough oppurtunities to get standard training which was required for CET. n TAT should have been the govt’s botheration and not comfortably abolishing it..for eg..we know the curriculam for mbbs is very tough too..wat if the board decides to take away a few papers so tat the syllabus would become easier?? we can’t jus break all the barriers coming our way….in certain issues we always hav to cross the barrier n not break it altogether….

anyways,,i wud say we’ll hav to wait n c how this stuff works out with the new syllabus…..

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]]> By: Pallab http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/#comment-139 Pallab Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:17:40 +0000 http://www.shahabjafri.com/?p=17#comment-139 And i stress again that you cant solve entrance exam problems by learning formals only.Batty,ask any science student who has sat for Entrance examinations. And about bringing all the boards closer together..that is something i would like to see happening.But it is easier said than done. The objective questions that are given actually require a lot of thinking.Decscriptive questions can be mugged up<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('139','Pallab'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('139','Pallab','And i stress again that you cant solve entrance exam problems by learning formals only.Batty,ask any science student who has sat for Entrance examinations.\n\nAnd about bringing all the boards closer together..that is something i would like to see happening.But it is easier said than done.\nThe objective questions that are given actually require a lot of thinking.Decscriptive questions can be mugged up'); return false;">Quote</a></div> And i stress again that you cant solve entrance exam problems by learning formals only.Batty,ask any science student who has sat for Entrance examinations.

And about bringing all the boards closer together..that is something i would like to see happening.But it is easier said than done.
The objective questions that are given actually require a lot of thinking.Decscriptive questions can be mugged up

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]]> By: Shahab http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/#comment-138 Shahab Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:08:12 +0000 http://www.shahabjafri.com/?p=17#comment-138 Lol ... My point is why to have a seperate test at all ..? Why not make the existing test get rid of its flaws ..? Why not remove the disparities between different boards ..? I state again the coaching centres give more stress on learning fomrmulas by heart .. Learning shortcuts .. This kills the basic idea of analytical tests .. So I state again that the current exam pattern also needs some changes . .. So make changes such that these entrance wont be required .. And btw .. Mugging up is more used in Objective questions .. in descriptive questions if you dont know the theory you cant write it.. As easy as that ..<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('138','Shahab'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('138','Shahab','Lol ... My point is why to have a seperate test at all ..? Why not make the existing test get rid of its flaws ..? Why not remove the disparities between different boards ..?\nI state again the coaching centres give more stress on learning fomrmulas by heart .. Learning shortcuts .. This kills the basic idea of analytical tests ..\n\nSo I state again that the current exam pattern also needs some changes . .. So make changes such that these entrance wont be required ..\n\nAnd btw .. Mugging up is more used in Objective questions .. in descriptive questions if you dont know the theory you cant write it.. As easy as that ..'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Lol … My point is why to have a seperate test at all ..? Why not make the existing test get rid of its flaws ..? Why not remove the disparities between different boards ..?
I state again the coaching centres give more stress on learning fomrmulas by heart .. Learning shortcuts .. This kills the basic idea of analytical tests ..

So I state again that the current exam pattern also needs some changes . .. So make changes such that these entrance wont be required ..

And btw .. Mugging up is more used in Objective questions .. in descriptive questions if you dont know the theory you cant write it.. As easy as that ..

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]]> By: Pallab http://www.shahabjafri.com/2005/06/12/the-abolition-of-entrance-tests-boon-or-bane/#comment-137 Pallab Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:41:57 +0000 http://www.shahabjafri.com/?p=17#comment-137 <blockquote>These coaching centres teaches “tricks” to solve the questions in less time .. Most of the time, they focus only on sections of syllabus that are considered “scoring” .. This results in students who knows 100 formulas but dont know the basics of the subjects ..</blockquote> Wrong..terribly wrong.Batty,atleast in science you can't score without having a rock solid concept.Most entrance examinations make students solve problems that makes sure that they have a thorough understanding of the subject.Without a good concept the student may not be able to understand the question at all.Knowing formulas wont get you anywhere. <blockquote>But what suffers is their school studies .. We get students who knows ten “tricks or formulas” to solve a question but know nothing about their cultural heritage or ethics .</blockquote> The only period(subject) in our school that is devoted to ethics is the value education(moral science) period.Yes,it is not in entrance examinations syllabus but then that once period in school is sufficient for that purpose. Since History isnt my subject i dont really learn much about our culture from school as well. The objective of the entrance examinations is to pick the best from the good.yes it has it's flaws.One of them is that it is slightly tougher for the poor coming from rural areas.But it is impossible to make something perfect. Jayalalitha's view is even more flawed.Firstly,from the reports i have read,I believe that it is possible to get good marks in school exams by just mugging up.And also a lot of students get very high marks.So it would be difficult to distingish between the best and the good.Next,is the problem of different boards.In west bengal there is the state board,ICSE and CBSE.And not only is their question pattern and marking scheme different but the syllabi also as minor differences.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('137','Pallab'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('137','Pallab','<blockquote>These coaching centres teaches âtricksâ to solve the questions in less time .. Most of the time, they focus only on sections of syllabus that are considered âscoringâ .. This results in students who knows 100 formulas but dont know the basics of the subjects ..<\/blockquote>\n\nWrong..terribly wrong.Batty,atleast in science you can\'t score without having a rock solid concept.Most entrance examinations make students solve problems that makes sure that they have a thorough understanding of the subject.Without a good concept the student may not be able to understand the question at all.Knowing formulas wont get you anywhere.\n\n<blockquote>But what suffers is their school studies .. We get students who knows ten âtricks or formulasâ to solve a question but know nothing about their cultural heritage or ethics .<\/blockquote>\n\nThe only period(subject) in our school that is devoted to ethics is the value education(moral science) period.Yes,it is not in entrance examinations syllabus but then that once period in school is sufficient for that purpose.\nSince History isnt my subject i dont really learn much about our culture from school as well.\n\n\n\nThe objective of the entrance examinations is to pick the best from the good.yes it has it\'s flaws.One of them is that it is slightly tougher for the poor coming from rural areas.But it is impossible to make something perfect.\n\nJayalalitha\'s view is even more flawed.Firstly,from the reports i have read,I believe that it is possible to get good marks in school exams by just mugging up.And also a lot of students get very high marks.So it would be difficult to distingish between the best and the good.Next,is the problem of different boards.In west bengal there is the state board,ICSE and CBSE.And not only is their question pattern and marking scheme different but the syllabi also as minor differences.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>

These coaching centres teaches “tricks” to solve the questions in less time .. Most of the time, they focus only on sections of syllabus that are considered “scoring” .. This results in students who knows 100 formulas but dont know the basics of the subjects ..

Wrong..terribly wrong.Batty,atleast in science you can’t score without having a rock solid concept.Most entrance examinations make students solve problems that makes sure that they have a thorough understanding of the subject.Without a good concept the student may not be able to understand the question at all.Knowing formulas wont get you anywhere.

But what suffers is their school studies .. We get students who knows ten “tricks or formulas” to solve a question but know nothing about their cultural heritage or ethics .

The only period(subject) in our school that is devoted to ethics is the value education(moral science) period.Yes,it is not in entrance examinations syllabus but then that once period in school is sufficient for that purpose.
Since History isnt my subject i dont really learn much about our culture from school as well.

The objective of the entrance examinations is to pick the best from the good.yes it has it’s flaws.One of them is that it is slightly tougher for the poor coming from rural areas.But it is impossible to make something perfect.

Jayalalitha’s view is even more flawed.Firstly,from the reports i have read,I believe that it is possible to get good marks in school exams by just mugging up.And also a lot of students get very high marks.So it would be difficult to distingish between the best and the good.Next,is the problem of different boards.In west bengal there is the state board,ICSE and CBSE.And not only is their question pattern and marking scheme different but the syllabi also as minor differences.

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